Curse

dark4190 · Mar 03, 2010, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Mokeiro

Easy fix for you: go play offline solo games, they say Oblivion is nice.

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Originally Posted by dark4190

I feel that without the ability to 600/smite with heros I will never 600/smite again (due to my lack of faith in other players).

I feel my ability to move around and command heros is more convenient and effective than some human players. I didn't say I didn't like playing with people.. I just don't like banking on them to do _anything_ on my runs.

Master Mayhem · Mar 03, 2010, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Dear A-Net

You have completely destroyed my monk so go fudge yourself. I am unable to do 600/smite with my heroes because of the fudgin nerf, I ONLY USED IT FOR VANQUISHING ONLY FOR FUDGE SAKE NOT FARMING! You nerf the 600 but not the fudgin shadow form. Now every profession can use Shadow form and its much uber than before.

Please nerf Shadow form just how you nerfd my beloved 600 n smite boon.

Thank you.

The-Bigz · Mar 03, 2010, 04:21 PM // 16:21

God forbid you must change hero builds or change holy wrath on your bar. Hint hint.

Edit: Master Mayhems thread got moved here which I replied to, which caused bump. I did not necro week old flame thread.

FyrFytr998 · Mar 03, 2010, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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Originally Posted by Master Mayhem

Dear A-Net

You have completely destroyed my monk so go fudge yourself. I am unable to do 600/smite with my heroes because of the fudgin nerf, I ONLY USED IT FOR VANQUISHING ONLY FOR FUDGE SAKE NOT FARMING! You nerf the 600 but not the fudgin shadow form. Now every profession can use Shadow form and its much uber than before.

Please nerf Shadow form just how you nerfd my beloved 600 n smite boon.

Thank you.

600/Smite is doable if you can body block correctly. Even with a hero. Then again I've only been doing it for UW, so I can't say how it fairs in other areas. Granted it is no longer set it and forget it like it was before, and adds a little more time.

Rampage · Mar 04, 2010, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Dear ANet:

Get a clue.

Damn Rock Gin · Mar 04, 2010, 05:43 AM // 05:43

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Originally Posted by Rampage

Dear ANet:

Get a clue.

That is exactly Anets problem, they have never had a clue. It never seems to fail, players enjoying the game, THE WAY THEY LIKE TO, not the way some of these elitist snobs think they should enjoy enjoy the game, then they whine to Anet here on the forums, and Anet seems to always think that the few elitists here represent the vast majority of all GW players, so Anet happily nerfs the hell out of our builds. When will they be happy? Probably after everyone has left the game because they have had their enjoyment taken away, then the elitist snobs will be happy, and, in Anets eyes they will have FIXED the game.

reaper with no name · Mar 04, 2010, 06:04 AM // 06:04

If one's enjoyment comes from breaking the game in half, then they shouldn't be playing an online game to begin with; they should go find a toy store, buy some legos, and build their own little world, where they are God and everything always goes their way.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, necessarily, but in games like this there are things like balance and challenge to worry about. In every game that exists these are fundamental concepts used to measure the quality of a game and it's ability to provide fun. God mode has no place.

Rampage · Mar 04, 2010, 08:32 AM // 08:32

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Originally Posted by Damn Rock Gin

That is exactly Anets problem, they have never had a clue. It never seems to fail, players enjoying the game, THE WAY THEY LIKE TO, not the way some of these elitist snobs think they should enjoy enjoy the game, then they whine to Anet here on the forums, and Anet seems to always think that the few elitists here represent the vast majority of all GW players, so Anet happily nerfs the hell out of our builds. When will they be happy? Probably after everyone has left the game because they have had their enjoyment taken away, then the elitist snobs will be happy, and, in Anets eyes they will have FIXED the game.

What you have to understand is this:

Skills like shadow form do not have a place in online games.
The ability to clear end game areas in 8 minutes does not have a place in online games.

The problem isn't ANet nerfing these broken skills, it's ANet allowing them in the game in the first place. None of you would be whining if there was never a speed clear. None of you would be whining if there was never a skill that made you invincible to the majority of enemies in PvE. ANet screwed up, and because of that people like you think you deserve whatever you want.

Do you believe there should be an iWin button in this game, that whenever you press it you beat whatever area you're in? I'm going to assume no. If you agree with me there, than you must agree that there should be some balance in this game. If you agree that there should be some balance in this game, then you should see why ANet is doing what they're doing. If you don't see that, it's because you're a blind fanboy who doesn't give a shit about actually playing the game as opposed to using broken builds to get your e-gold.

If you honestly think anyone who wants clearly broken skills that do not belong in this game elitists, I'll ask you to go play hello kitty island adventure, because you clearly don't know anything about quality online games. At the end of the day, GW is just like any other online RPG. Do you see any of those games with a single skill that allows you to be invincible to everything around you? No, because other companies aren't dumb.

Also, in b4 you calling me an elitist for looking at things from a logical point of view instead of a 'I bought this game so I should have the ability to do what I want in a retarded amount of time because I can only play 15 minutes a day' point of view. Don't blame the 'elitists' for ruining your 'fun', blame ANet for allowing you to have the 'fun' that should have never been in this game.

ANet didn't ruin this game, the shit community did. Most of you must have played a lot of harvest moon, considering all you care about is farming.

fenix · Mar 04, 2010, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by Rampage

What you have to understand is this:

Skills like shadow form do not have a place in online games.
The ability to clear end game areas in 8 minutes does not have a place in online games.

The problem isn't ANet nerfing these broken skills, it's ANet allowing them in the game in the first place. None of you would be whining if there was never a speed clear. None of you would be whining if there was never a skill that made you invincible to the majority of enemies in PvE. ANet screwed up, and because of that people like you think you deserve whatever you want.

Do you believe there should be an iWin button in this game, that whenever you press it you beat whatever area you're in? I'm going to assume no. If you agree with me there, than you must agree that there should be some balance in this game. If you agree that there should be some balance in this game, then you should see why ANet is doing what they're doing. If you don't see that, it's because you're a blind fanboy who doesn't give a shit about actually playing the game as opposed to using broken builds to get your e-gold.

If you honestly think anyone who wants clearly broken skills that do not belong in this game elitists, I'll ask you to go play hello kitty island adventure, because you clearly don't know anything about quality online games. At the end of the day, GW is just like any other online RPG. Do you see any of those games with a single skill that allows you to be invincible to everything around you? No, because other companies aren't dumb.

Also, in b4 you calling me an elitist for looking at things from a logical point of view instead of a 'I bought this game so I should have the ability to do what I want in a retarded amount of time because I can only play 15 minutes a day' point of view. Don't blame the 'elitists' for ruining your 'fun', blame ANet for allowing you to have the 'fun' that should have never been in this game.

ANet didn't ruin this game, the shit community did. Most of you must have played a lot of harvest moon, considering all you care about is farming.

Are you calling Hello Kitty Island Adventure a bad game? Because if you are sir, then you sir, are an asshat.

Seriously though, quality post. This sums up the situation perfectly. If there never WAS ridiculous farming builds, no one would be complaining - as everyone would be used to running 8 man balanced teams.

upier · Mar 04, 2010, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by Rampage

The problem isn't ANet nerfing these broken skills, it's ANet allowing them in the game in the first place. None of you would be whining if there was never a speed clear. None of you would be whining if there was never a skill that made you invincible to the majority of enemies in PvE. ANet screwed up, and because of that people like you think you deserve whatever you want.

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ANet didn't ruin this game, the shit community did. Most of you must have played a lot of harvest moon, considering all you care about is farming.

Pick one.
It will make more sense.

Rampage · Mar 04, 2010, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by upier

Pick one.
It will make more sense.

ANet screwing up and the community ruining the game are completely different stories. ANet screwed up by allowing such broken skills into the game, the community ruined the game by being whiny bitchy 8 year old kids with ADD. Every game company is going to screw up on something, they aren't Jesus, but not every game community is as shit as this one. I'd have to say that the GW community is almost as dumb as the RS community, which is a real hit in the balls.

Although I did word that pretty poorly. What I meant to say is the community ruined this game more than ANet did.

Shasgaliel · Mar 04, 2010, 09:41 AM // 09:41

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Originally Posted by Rampage

ANet screwing up and the community ruining the game are completely different stories. ANet screwed up by allowing such broken skills into the game, the community ruined the game by being whiny bitchy 8 year old kids with ADD. Every game company is going to screw up on something, they aren't Jesus, but not every game community is as shit as this one. I'd have to say that the GW community is almost as dumb as the RS community, which is a real hit in the balls.

Although I did word that pretty poorly. What I meant to say is the community ruined this game more than ANet did.

QFT I agree with content of both your posts. I would just add that RMT and the amount of people buying gold from them did some mole work too. Amount of hacks was just enormous. Actually would there be so much RMTs if there was no easy farming?

Orry · Mar 04, 2010, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by fenix

Are you calling Hello Kitty Island Adventure a bad game? Because if you are sir, then you sir, are an asshat.

Seriously though, quality post. This sums up the situation perfectly. If there never WAS ridiculous farming builds, no one would be complaining - as everyone would be used to running 8 man balanced teams.

He was obviously telling them to go see what a quality game looks like before they make judgements about this one.

M @ T · Mar 04, 2010, 12:11 PM // 12:11

After reading the first 12 pages all I saw was discussions on Perma, 600,SW and ES animation. I can't be arsed to read more but I would like to say that there are other skills which have been changed and means that we are going to have a new meta here. SW has already been used in HA for instance like mentioned be4. BB Wars are used too now.

And, no more SA Rangers, BS eles and VoR mes with Pious Concentration, PB is hurt, Primal rage is meh.

Mark of Fury will come into play, maby Charge too on runners, hammer Wars are gonna have a party in general, not because of Earfshakur only apparently.

And all that just came into mind, there are seriously so many more, don't just discuss permas and 600s and whatever ffs.

upier · Mar 04, 2010, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Rampage

ANet screwing up and the community ruining the game are completely different stories. ANet screwed up by allowing such broken skills into the game, the community ruined the game by being whiny bitchy 8 year old kids with ADD. Every game company is going to screw up on something, they aren't Jesus, but not every game community is as shit as this one. I'd have to say that the GW community is almost as dumb as the RS community, which is a real hit in the balls.

Although I did word that pretty poorly. What I meant to say is the community ruined this game more than ANet did.

The community used the sad state of the game that A.Net created. Maybe even abused the state - but that speaks even more about how A.Net dropped the ball regarding their ability to fix crap.
A.Net failed. And it's in no way the obligation of the community to pick up the pieces and help them get up.

Shuuda · Mar 04, 2010, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by upier

The community used the sad state of the game that A.Net created. Maybe even abused the state - but that speaks even more about how A.Net dropped the ball regarding their ability to fix crap.
A.Net failed. And it's in no way the obligation of the community to pick up the pieces and help them get up.

So in other words, you're sort of like people who go looting when there's a disaster?

Yes, Anet messed up. But in no way does that entitle you to whinge when they try and fix their mistake.

upier · Mar 04, 2010, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

So in other words, you're sort of like people who go looting when there's a disaster?

Yes, Anet messed up. But in no way does that entitle you to whinge when they try and fix their mistake.

We do not have the right to demand that something is fixed or that something needs to be left alone. But we do have the right to bitch, to criticize, to praise or to even rage on the game.

As long as A.Net keeps up the "take it or leave it"-attitude, it can not be our fault when something goes wrong.

Shuuda · Mar 04, 2010, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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But we do have the right to bitch, to criticize, to praise or to even rage on the game.

Never said you didn't, so don't try that shit on me. But you're not just criticizing or praising, you're basically acting as if Anet shouldn't fix mistakes because you benefited from them. If you take advantage of something that was never meant to be, a backlash in inevitable.

It's easy to blame Anet for everything without accepting your own fault in the matter.

upier · Mar 04, 2010, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

Never said you didn't, so don't try that shit on me. But you're not just criticizing or praising, you're basically acting as if Anet shouldn't fix mistakes because you benefited from them. If you take advantage of something that was never meant to be, a backlash in inevitable.

It's easy to blame Anet for everything without accepting your own fault in the matter.

Everything that players suggest needs to go through A.Net and A.Net needs to implement it.
Which means that everything that ends up in the game is there because A.Net wants it to be there. Or at least because they do not oppose it being there.

When the players get the tools to implement changes on our own, then we will be responsible for those changes. Until then, it's A.Net's fault when something goes wrong and it's their moment of glory when things go right.
Seriously, if you are going to blame the players for the crap that happens, give us a share of the profit from the things that go right!

Shuuda · Mar 04, 2010, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Everything that players suggest needs to go through A.Net and A.Net needs to implement it.

Why? Most players don't have a clue on how to run, develop or improve a game. Most are also self-serving, in that they'll only make suggestions for purely their benefit. I dread to think what this game would be like if people like you had their way.

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Until then, it's A.Net's fault when something goes wrong and it's their moment of glory when things go right.
Seriously, if you are going to blame the players for the crap that happens, give us a share of the profit from the things that go right!

My goodness, is your vision so black and white? I'll repeat, shall I?

If you take advantage of something that was never meant to be, a backlash is inevitable.

Do you understand what I'm trying to tell you here?